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what's up everybody it's monday night

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that's right i got the hat i got the

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i got the sport coat

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that's about it i use that to you know

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when i try to like fix the tie looking

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but it's like a mirror and it goes the

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opposite direction so it doesn't really

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uh but we

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we got a pretty cool uh gig for you

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tonight by the way

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uh we have exo

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oh man i'm totally gonna screw that up

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uh on if you haven't uh checked him out

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i put his information in the

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uh description for the show

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um so you can check it out um his latest

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i started uh listening to you on the way

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here

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and i didn't have enough time to finish

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it i was so pissed cuz i really like the

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way he looks at all this stuff

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um and then the

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uh collins elite

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freaking episode was uh fantastic i

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learned

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uh something there so that's really what

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um because i want to learn as much as i

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super excited

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um he

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will be here by voice only so you

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you guys who um like listen to him and

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everything

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probably know that's the deal

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but if not i'm telling you uh so right

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away i'll just say what's up to

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everybody that's here

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a waif soul i know you uh joe's i get

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you 1am

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um we'll catch you next time uh and

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taylor what's up

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awesome um

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robert cowford awesome

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um scott brown

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thanks for saying that scott brown says

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i look badass

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um that's pretty good

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better than

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i don't have anything sorry i thought i

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had something but i don't

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and benji what's up my co-host brother

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for the 17th really appreciate it

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um so yeah

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alien girl what's up we have uh

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priscilla quantum witch here uh just so

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you know that's our monday night thing

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if you remember so just give me a second

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we'll play our little you know our

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little clip a little fun stuff

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you got that right so uh first of all

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we'll bring in the

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best witch in town

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and tonight the only one

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but i'm working on my my witch um

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bachelor's degree so

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you give me some time i might be able to

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cook something up

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so how are you i'm doing great i'm just

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wondering if you're gonna take that hat

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off and you're gonna have perfect hair

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in like you did that one time with the

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how do you do that yeah my head's not

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even in anything and i've got stuff all

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i cut it myself and the back of it is

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atrocious so until i get my wife to fix

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it it's going to be hat town usa

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how's everything in

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like with you with your show and

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everything everything's good yeah

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um the only thing coming up is

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i have oh actually wednesday i am having

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ufo jane after she comes on she's gonna

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do a double she's gonna do ucr and then

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she's gonna come on my show so that'll

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be fun and then you should get ufo joe

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and then they get married

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before jane and joe well we have to have

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ufo jesus to officiate of course um

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but yeah and then

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yeah until monday so

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engage in the phenomenon toby

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awesome so happy everyone's here um k-42

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d so without further

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uh let me bring in i'm just gonna call

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him exo because that's easier for me

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mr xo how you doing

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i'm doing well can you hear me okay i

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can hear you great

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excellent you can go with exo academian

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or xo academian or exo works great for

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me okay yeah if you don't mind i'll call

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you xop sure if i don't i'm gonna call

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you like you know when you just listen

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to stuff whether it be

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on the phone or the radio and you kind

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of like make up what the person looks

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like in your mind maybe unintentionally

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and for whatever reason that to me

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you sound like rand paul

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yeah really okay

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and the secrets out it secrets out you

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figured it out my identity is exposed

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wow does it mean anything other than

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i don't know why but i'm always

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completely wrong and i've spent like uh

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many many years in the phone business

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and i would you know you do that and i

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meet the person i'm like wow i was way

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you know it's not funny i mean i i

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recently got together with with somebody

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locally who's been on ufo twitter

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and you don't realize you're doing it

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but you build up this whole conception

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of you know their personality their

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demeanor what they look like and then

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you meet them and it's only then that

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you realize that's totally not what i

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pictured and you weren't even really

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conscious that you were picturing them

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but it happened and then you're like i

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you're not him what are you talking

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about

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so um yeah meet priscilla priscilla exo

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um hi priscilla hello great to meet you

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love you

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so i'll just say um i'm new to the the

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exo show uh engaging the phenomena and

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uh james there um

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uh nudged me in your direction

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the cosmic networker also known as james

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iandoli yes yeah

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the collins elite one

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um and i'm you know i like

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this really is either at this point and

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with a really great perspective to where

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you're not like attaching yourself to to

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this story or that story you're just

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kind of telling the story as it is as

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the facts lay bear and i really

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appreciate that and i learned some

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things about was it um jack parsons i

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may have gotten started and why we hear

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as you know possibly the reason

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you know secrets are kept so

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yeah i think there's a there's a few

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factors with that one in particular one

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because luella zondo you know was pretty

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clear about running into those kind of

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elements so it's not just you know

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right back in the 50s 60s 70s 80s it's

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still got an active contingent now

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and you know so partly just as an

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american who understands that's

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completely unconstitutional and why

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would people in positions of power be

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making decisions for everybody else uh

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just that kind of creates some sort of

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outrage in me

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curiosity you know like just to

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just as a curious person i want to

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investigate things and learn more and

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terms of what's going on with reality

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studies and religious studies and you

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what it's like to be in those circles

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really understand how that world view

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can be so absolute and how it could even

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lead you to do things professionally

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because it's you know you wear it it's

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the it's the pair of glasses that you

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government that thinks that way because

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evil that exists every down to the

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the devil that's the devil

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behind every bush is the way the saying

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by chance yeah i did and it's kind of um

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i was kinda i've heard of it before but

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i the way you put it was you had all the

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facts so it made it was kind of like on

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the edge of like am i being paranoid

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when i'm reading about this or like

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leaving it but then the way that you

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made your episode you just had like he

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said you have all the facts and you're

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not uh trying to push some sort of

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narrative you're just like this is

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what's out there and it's kind of scary

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how um

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something things like that are happening

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to this day and you're right it's all

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unconstitutional and

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it does make people angry because

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we are putting our our livelihoods in

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in the hands of these you know of our

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government thinking that they're going

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to do the right thing and then they're

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hiding things from us

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now you actually started exo about 12

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latest episode was so what kick-started

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around the time of the you know the new

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york times kind of breaking those

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articles i was interested in long before

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then but it had kind of gone dormant for

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um so i have a long long history with

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this topic in general partly related to

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some personal experiences but it kind of

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and then i came on to sort of ufo

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twitter i think in early 2019

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and what happened was you know what you

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can only say so much succinctly in 220

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characters right so of course and this

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is such a nuanced topic with so many

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elements involved that you constantly

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find yourself wrestling with what can i

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say

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in 220 characters that's going to be

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meaningful right and it's going to touch

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on all the elements i need to touch on

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eventually realize you really can't and

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it's not really

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the medium that's wired for that for

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that kind of you know ongoing

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conversation with nuance so that's why i

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thought

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what i'd really like to do and this is

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partly just based on

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relationships and and realizing that

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you can build up a shared vocabulary and

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a shared history where you understand

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what you're referring to and once you

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have that

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that sort of groundwork done

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then you can have really sort of

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sophisticated nuanced conversations

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where you have a background in in common

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with people so what i wanted to do it

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occurred to me why don't i do a podcast

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where i do these sort of 30 minute

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podcast i wanted to do something

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different not not just an interview

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show although i do that do that once in

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a while but generally i just do me

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taking on a certain topic and talking

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about it

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and

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i figured that over time i would be able

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to build on arguments be able to

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reference things that people had already

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heard so i wouldn't have to keep going

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back over it and you can say something a

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bit more sophisticated and with more

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nuance when you when you can speak in

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long form like that right right oh and i

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should say um is it your

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did i hear it right it's your one year

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anniversary basically

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yeah i think uh

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seems like around december 20th of last

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year was my first episode so yeah coming

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up on

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cool on the one year anniversary and i

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have so far you know knock on wood been

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able to do an episode every week so i've

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done 50 episodes now

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that's fantastic and that's not uh any

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small feat because of the work you put

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into it

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um i know

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you know researching and collecting is

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one thing but analyzing and putting

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together

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you know a podcast is

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is another and that that's quite a feats

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of good work man what do you think yeah

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appreciate that

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yeah i you're you're very thorough and

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i've i've started

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trying to write things to do on my own

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show but it takes so much time to

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properly research and i

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and

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you want to check the research that

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you're researching too so it's hard and

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then it's hard to put it all together in

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a way that is you know under 30 minutes

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so people actually listen and also have

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it flow and make sense and have all the

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points covered so you're doing an

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amazing job with that yeah thanks and i

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appreciate that and and and like you

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said

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you want to make sure you've covered

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your basis and you you want to make sure

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you don't say something you regret three

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months later you know like you if it's

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going to be for the record you want to

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feel confident that what you're saying

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you know you can really back up and so

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for instance even when i take on

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specific cases where people have had

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abduction experiences or contact

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experiences

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i want to know that there are other

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cases like that what other corroborating

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evidence is there for that case in

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general so i can feel fairly confident

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that the case i'm discussing is a fairly

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common one that's well supported kind of

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in in the literature

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um

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so can you

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can we go into the uh actual jack

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parsons aspect of this because he was

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working with nasa and everything back to

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the college elite stuff sorry to jump

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around but he was working with uh nasa

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and everything in you were talking about

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how there was he had an attachment to

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was it uh aleister crowley or maybe a

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degree short or something

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um but the belief is

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you know around 47 or or whatever

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crowley did some kind of um seance or

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ritual or whatever that possibly opened

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up

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this place whether it be a dimension or

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portal or whatever

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um for these uh saucers beings or

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whatever you want to say uh to start

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coming into

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you know our dimension

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um

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yeah

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leave that at all do we know if we

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you know if crowley thought that

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that's a good question i mean i think

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that

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my guess is

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a fundamentalist evangelical perspective

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on anything to do with the occult now

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right i don't know if either of you have

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a christian background but for me you

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can do it right so you know that the

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occult is bad news right in christian

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circles nothing to do with the occult

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like that's a bad word right in fact it

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was only years afterwards that i

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realized hey people are talking about

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that they don't mean it like like a slur

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you know i mean like they actually made

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it like a positive thing yeah but for me

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it was always you know

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magic and quote-unquote magic and

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quote-unquote the occult

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seances ouija boards all of that was

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kind of like this really dark deceptive

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nefarious stuff you don't mess with and

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if you do demons can possess you

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basically was the was the thinking so

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again i totally get the thinking and i

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know what it's like to be

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in those circles where

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that kind of that's the ethos that's

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kind of the smoke that's rising all

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around you and people just are kind of

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bit paranoid about it right and they

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even to the point where people

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don't want to even think about it

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critically because that makes them

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nervous that they might be letting it in

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by even thinking about it

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there's this

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like

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and uh

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so so yeah i don't think crowley and or

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parsons thought that i think that they

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thought that the the universe was

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teeming with interdimensional life and

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they felt like they could reach across

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and connect with entities beyond what we

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experience in our everyday waking world

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that's what they were trying it's the

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interpretation of the collins elite

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coming from a fundamentalist

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christian perspective that saw that is

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all connected and as i sort of you know

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said in the episode which is based on

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nick redfern's excellent book uh final

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event so he did a lot of the research

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and i you know i read his book and i

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also listened to a bunch of interviews

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he did talking about it and he also

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you know did a good job of of staying

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objective like he would share their

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perspectives share the theology they

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were basing this on but never did he buy

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into it or never did he say he thought

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that was legitimate or not he just you

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know presented the evidence presented

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the facts

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right from my point of view it looks a

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lot like uh hearsay a lot of like

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associations a lot of um you know

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correlation but not necessarily

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causation right that's what i mentioned

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in the podcast that events happened

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around those times right like so soon

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after parsons death and around parsons

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death there was this you know mysterious

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you know explosion that happened some

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people think he was just working on

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rockets because he had a rocket company

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right he built rockets for

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for nasa and he ended up getting losing

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his uh you know security privileges

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because he tried to

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he took some documents to show to the

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israelis not because he was a supply but

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because he wanted more work as a rocket

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scientist right

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he didn't have he didn't have a resume

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which sounds so bizarre right come on

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man

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it's like well i'll just take these top

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secret documents you know because i

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don't i don't got a resume you know um

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so some people think you know the

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prosaic explanation was he was working

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on a new rocket technology there was an

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explosion he got as far as the hospital

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he died there but to the collins elite

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knowing that he has again a loose

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connection he kind of was a follower a

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devotee of crowley's right

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and interested in similar aspects

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he also was supposedly trying to reach

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across dimensions and make contact with

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another kind of entity

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so from their perspective they wonder if

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actually what happened was this sort of

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like

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uh explosion that partly opened up a

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portal

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again from the fundamentalist christian

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perspective he died because they will

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fool you right they will mess with your

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mind they'll think that you're doing fun

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stuff but they will they're dark and

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deceptive and they will destroy you so

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that from the collins elite perspective

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parsons sort of paid the price

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for

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messing with the occult and in the

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meantime they got their way because he

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managed to open a portal uh to this sort

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of nefarious underworld where that

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ushered in a whole new wave

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of ufo sightings and abductions

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tied specifically to

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the the wave of sightings that happened

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over washington dc in 52 or 53 soon

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after his death

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yeah i've put a lot of research into

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that sighting actually i found over 103

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documents on it

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pretty really interesting yeah pretty

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pretty fascinating stuff they wind up

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blaming it on temperature inversions but

544
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um and

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in the visuals as well they were they

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were blaming on that too right um and

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they even said isn't it interesting that

548
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the visuals

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um the temperature inversions happened

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around the the same spot of like i think

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it was 9 000

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you know a feet altitude but the visuals

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happen at 40 000 feet altitude so that

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was just a whole whole bunch now but

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there is definitely some tricksters

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stuff involved

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with you know what what whatever

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intelligence you want to say it is

559
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whether it's right or not so you know

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how do you

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you know how could you trust yourself

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enough to differentiate if you've

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experienced that to say okay that you

564
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,640
know

565
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,120
there could be safe entities yet and

566
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,120
maybe it's just this one or just this

567
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:39,440
time and how do you not just say okay

568
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,159
i'm done you know right right

569
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:43,600
yeah that's a great question i think

570
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,400
that

571
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,080
it's a really complicated question i

572
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:48,000
think there's a lot a lot of elements to

573
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:48,799
that

574
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:53,200
would say absolutely people have

575
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,799
negative experiences with negative

576
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:56,159
entities so

577
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:58,000
uh you know i look at it like you go

578
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,360
into the jungle right and it's like

579
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,039
someone someone might say listen the

580
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,720
jungle is all love and light just go

581
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,240
there have fun you know it's no nothing

582
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,640
bad play with the monkeys right yeah and

583
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:08,640
yet you know there's lions and panthers

584
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:11,520
and snakes and you know giant spiders

585
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,240
and

586
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:14,080
you know you can die right you could

587
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,919
walk into quicksand and not get back out

588
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,720
so

589
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,240
in other words you have to be aware of

590
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,880
the territory the terrain know the sort

591
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,799
of you know diversity of entities you

592
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,080
may run into

593
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,000
and you go prepared right and you bring

594
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,320
a guide and you you think

595
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,080
think ahead and plan ahead right so i

596
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,600
look at it the same way

597
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:33,120
with any kind of

598
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:34,799
anomalous investigation or any kind of

599
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,280
ufo phenomenon investigation

600
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,880
um

601
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,720
but i also think that

602
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,960
the approach we bring the energy we

603
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,720
bring what we sort of primed the

604
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,720
experience with seems to have a huge

605
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,320
effect on what we end up experiencing

606
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,600
and you and you have to practice

607
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:52,159
spiritual hygiene you know before you go

608
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,360
into these endeavors as well um

609
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,679
you know it's just sort of i think once

610
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,200
you've looked into it a lot you kind of

611
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,960
go okay is there some common sense that

612
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,440
you you wish everyone would use when

613
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,440
they're going into this and

614
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,200
i think i've met some people who say

615
00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:09,039
they tend towards fear states really

616
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,919
easily and i think they're wise to say

617
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,600
until i've worked some of that out done

618
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,760
some more shadow work figured out where

619
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,440
is this fear coming from

620
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,039
which could end up manifesting and be

621
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,799
reflected back to you right like even

622
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,640
with the skinwalker ranch

623
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:25,039
uh investigations it seems very clear

624
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,880
that a lot of times people get reflected

625
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,640
back to them so if you go in with fear

626
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,320
and dismay you may get that staring

627
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,559
right back at you and that's it may even

628
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,559
be more subconscious than that too you

629
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,320
know again if you haven't done shadow

630
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:37,760
work if you're not a really self-aware

631
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,880
person if you haven't worked through

632
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,640
some of those issues

633
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,640
you i think it is wise to be wary of

634
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:44,559
what might end up happening but on the

635
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,760
other hand

636
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,919
you look at something like ce5 right and

637
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,919
if people go in with having done their

638
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:51,200
grounding work having done their

639
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,880
spiritual hygiene preparation all that

640
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,480
kind of stuff

641
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,400
it's reaching out to a specific kind of

642
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,480
peaceful positive entity

643
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,880
that the data says that the vast

644
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,480
majority of the time people have

645
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,039
positive experiences with those so and

646
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,440
and so it makes me tend to

647
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,919
conclude that in the very few cases in

648
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,760
those specific cases where people have

649
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,520
negative experiences there's probably

650
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:15,840
some outlier factor that's involved as

651
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,960
well so i think it's a again a cosmos

652
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,559
teaming with interdimensional life i

653
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,960
don't think it's one or two or three or

654
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,480
five or 10

655
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,480
races or intelligences i think it's

656
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:28,000
teeming with life

657
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,679
and you know yeah you have to be aware

658
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,280
of what you're you're going to reach out

659
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,280
to and be prepared

660
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,919
yeah i guess there could be you know

661
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,520
that being said there could be entities

662
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,840
that are just straight up no good

663
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:41,919
business no matter what you do or think

664
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,240
and there could be some that maybe yeah

665
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,320
reflect you a little more which kind of

666
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,679
reminds me of

667
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,799
um

668
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:50,880
you know i i hate to say it i guess but

669
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:53,840
uh uh hallucinogens are smoking weed for

670
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,480
the first time it's like if if you have

671
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,120
a lot of fear or anxiety going into it

672
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,279
that's gonna be magnified times a

673
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:03,520
million vice versa you know like i've

674
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:06,799
never taken lsd but you know i was i've

675
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,679
always been told um if you do it just

676
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,039
you know make sure you're in the right

677
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:13,600
mood drink some orange juice

678
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:16,840
or ayahuasca even or

679
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,640
psilocybin dmt all of these are you know

680
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:22,960
known to open up other dimensions or you

681
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,400
experience other dimensions ayahuasca

682
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,480
really throws you in there and they call

683
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,960
her the mother because

684
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,400
when people do ayahuasca trips they're

685
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,480
often confronted with their shadow work

686
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,720
and i'm really glad that exo brought up

687
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,480
you know doing your own work and working

688
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,960
on your own vs and your own energy

689
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,559
before you attempt anything like this

690
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,480
because like attracts like in the

691
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:46,320
universe and what we have you know

692
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,679
everywhere in the universe that we know

693
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,159
of has duality why wouldn't they have

694
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:52,000
duality in other dimensions

695
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,440
but i'm really glad you brought that up

696
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,200
because it's all about you know your

697
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:57,679
intention when you're doing these things

698
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,960
right i totally agree and uh you know

699
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,720
we're talking a lot about subtle states

700
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:04,159
right is what i would call this and you

701
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,679
know i have a background in integral

702
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,799
theory and

703
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,640
and that's what we talk a lot about is

704
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,000
sort of gross

705
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,159
you know everyday waking world subtle

706
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,679
and then causal sort of being the three

707
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,679
sort of main states of reality and in

708
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:17,919
those subtle states yes it's the

709
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,039
smallest degree of negativity that you

710
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,880
bring in could end up manifesting or

711
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,880
something coming right back at you so

712
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:25,919
yeah i think you have to be really

713
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,159
careful uh i remember even talking to my

714
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:29,919
friend john murjowski who you guys

715
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:32,240
probably know um you know he's talked

716
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,039
about

717
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,799
both he and i have used galanta mean

718
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,320
kind of as this uh

719
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,480
you know to help lucid dream if more

720
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,799
kind of thing and he's talked about one

721
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:42,400
time drinking too much and going in kind

722
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,600
of in a negative state and using

723
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:44,799
glantomy and having not a great

724
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,919
experience and having to sort of pull

725
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,679
himself out and wake back up

726
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,520
so yes

727
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,679
again you want to be conscious of of how

728
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,520
you're going in for sure

729
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,520
yeah that's

730
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:57,760
interesting that you uh yeah mentioned

731
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,400
the lucid dreaming uh i've i've

732
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:02,640
definitely done that before and it kind

733
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,159
of seems like uh whatever that

734
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,640
you know it i guess i i miss doing it

735
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,960
i'd like to do it again i i remember

736
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,200
when i was a kid it was just uh not

737
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,960
maybe kid but teenager it was just kind

738
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:16,880
of a natural thing for me to do and to

739
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:19,600
know that i was doing it um but but now

740
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,480
it's

741
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,240
you know i'm just stuck in these dreams

742
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,320
that take me on their little roller

743
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,240
coasters

744
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:28,080
you know whether i realize it or not but

745
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:29,600
i'm just starting to dream again for the

746
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,640
first

747
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:32,080
well one thing i find fascinating about

748
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,360
lucid dreaming we're talking about

749
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,200
shadow work and all that

750
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,440
one thing i find fascinating is how it's

751
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,120
such a shortcut

752
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,880
to being confronted with your own

753
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:42,640
subconscious because

754
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,000
uh i will you know you can sort of like

755
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,520
lie to yourself you can hide from

756
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,600
yourself in your everyday waking world

757
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,279
but in dreaming and even more so in

758
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,880
lucid dreams when they get really vivid

759
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,400
you can't like whatever's there and

760
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,480
you're holding back or burying it's

761
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,000
going to surface in those cases again

762
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,400
it's kind of a subtle state and so i'm

763
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:02,240
always amazed how

764
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,600
you know

765
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,600
if i go to bed

766
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,679
planning to lose a dream i try to be

767
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,039
aware of you know having done some

768
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,760
preparation preparation work beforehand

769
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,159
be aware do i do i feel frustration do i

770
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,159
feel anxiety do i have

771
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,679
anger or anything like that that i need

772
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:19,520
to sort of work through meditate through

773
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,000
first because if you don't it's a good

774
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,760
chance it's gonna end up manifesting

775
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:25,919
come right back at you in the dream

776
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,640
yeah no that's that's uh interesting

777
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,240
that you say that

778
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,240
priscilla actually has done a lot of

779
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,120
work with dreams i would say

780
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,039
so i guess would you agree that a lot of

781
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,360
it probably comes down to also

782
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,039
if your subconscious is confronting you

783
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:43,440
you also kind of have to know how to

784
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,320
um

785
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,440
tell the

786
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:47,760
the symbols involved in your dream and

787
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,950
to actually have it make sense i guess

788
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,399
and not have it come out physically

789
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:56,000
through a panic attack

790
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,279
yeah

791
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,919
go ahead um people

792
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,279
a lot of people come to me about their

793
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,480
dreams because

794
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,559
it's always happened so that's i think

795
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,000
i've always been a lucid dreamer since i

796
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,240
was little and had some weird astral

797
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,000
projection stuff happening like when i

798
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,159
was little that was out of control the

799
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,760
the second i realized i was lucid

800
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,000
dreaming and i started dreaming with

801
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,919
intention which sounds weird it could be

802
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,520
something simple like you drink some tea

803
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,200
before bed and you do a grounding

804
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,520
breaths or something more out there

805
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,240
where you use herbs known to

806
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,720
facilitate lucid dreaming states but yes

807
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,320
if you're not ready and you don't know

808
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,679
how to wake up in your dream which

809
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:33,760
sounds crazy but that's what you have to

810
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,799
do then you're going to be shown

811
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,399
exactly what you need to be shown in a

812
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,880
lot of cases even if you don't like it

813
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,960
but once you start working intentionally

814
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,559
with your dreams like you said like as i

815
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:46,080
said preparation

816
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,919
um you go to sleep with an intention and

817
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,120
you can fall asleep just kind of

818
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,640
repeating that in your head and then

819
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:51,679
you'll

820
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,919
learn to wake up in your dreams and

821
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,440
you'll interact more with the

822
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:57,440
environment and if it's a scary

823
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,399
environment

824
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,760
you can kind of

825
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,840
pull out of it a little or have it ease

826
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:03,840
a little bit or you can change um

827
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,399
direction if it's too much for you

828
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,840
right and i like what you said there too

829
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,679
in terms of you know

830
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,279
i mean the way i look at it is yeah i

831
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,360
think sometimes people can go in with

832
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,520
kind of this more shallow i want to have

833
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,200
happy positive thoughts all the time

834
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,039
right but what we really want to do is

835
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:21,120
grow right and so

836
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,559
sometimes that means being confronted

837
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,640
with things and and i really

838
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,559
am of the perspective that the only way

839
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,440
passed is through yeah and so sometimes

840
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,799
what's going on inside of you that you

841
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,799
need to work through will manifest in

842
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,640
your dreams and even if that feels scary

843
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,960
or negative it's a gift it's still

844
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,640
something being presented to you that

845
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,200
your higher self wants you to process to

846
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,279
move and to grow and so

847
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,880
again a lot of it comes down to having

848
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,720
more of a mature nuanced perspective

849
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,480
recognizing that even the negative can

850
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,320
be a gift and something you can use to

851
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,240
move forward

852
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,440
now how do you think um

853
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,960
beings

854
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,399
uh come into play

855
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,320
through these dreams do you think it's

856
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,799
you know some sort of um connected

857
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:05,440
consciousness or do they possibly just

858
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,840
live there in only their um

859
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,360
you know what's your take

860
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,919
yeah great question i mean i think um

861
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,440
the sky's the limit in terms of the

862
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,279
possibility yeah we get to that point

863
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,520
again yeah yeah i mean in my most recent

864
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:22,159
podcast i was talking about this um sort

865
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,880
of the cosmic canvas with a k for cosmic

866
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,279
meaning sort of the interior cosmos as

867
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:29,440
well as the exterior cosmos

868
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,240
and

869
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,480
that some some of these entities can

870
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,159
sort of seamlessly

871
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:37,200
show up and you know leave soil samples

872
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,720
and markings on your body but the same

873
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,120
way they can not just from your

874
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,720
subconscious populate but they can

875
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,880
populate themselves into your dream

876
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,960
right and so they can and often they

877
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,559
will they'll communicate to you there in

878
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,440
fact

879
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,799
one of the things i've come across in my

880
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,000
research

881
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,159
is that often though a reason why it's

882
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,679
useful for them to do that is because

883
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,760
your usual sort of biological fear

884
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,600
response to sort of like an evolutionary

885
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,159
trait we all have to the unknown is

886
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,679
offline when you're in dreams a lot of

887
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,679
the time so you can actually i've had

888
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,120
experiences where

889
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,679
some really weird looking entities

890
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,519
are communicating with me and i had this

891
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,360
one happen recently it looks something

892
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,279
like an ancient egyptian or a babylonian

893
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,279
kind of griffin and

894
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:18,880
sort of half lion half eagle kind of

895
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,919
creature and it's its head was turned

896
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,919
sideways but its eye was looking

897
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,000
directly at me so it's like it's i was

898
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,000
pointing you know perpendicular from the

899
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,000
shape of the head and just staring at me

900
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,679
and it was what was what was uncanny

901
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:32,960
about it was

902
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,200
um i couldn't again because as a human

903
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,120
being we're used to picking up subtle

904
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,880
really subtle differences in facial

905
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,559
expressions and body language right so

906
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,720
much wealth of communication so when

907
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,039
you're contacting this non-human entity

908
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,440
none of that's there right any and this

909
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,960
thing was not telepathically

910
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,399
communicating with me it was just

911
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,559
staring at me and so it's a bit

912
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,320
unnerving at first because you're like

913
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,640
what do you want what are you doing but

914
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,720
uh when you sort of relax into it you're

915
00:32:01,269 --> 00:32:00,240
like well it's just it's just here with

916
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,279
me

917
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,519
it's able to be in my presence without

918
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,080
judgment without fear and i can rest

919
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:08,000
into that too but if that were to happen

920
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,440
to my waking experience you know when

921
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,600
i'm pouring my coffee i'd probably be

922
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,799
you know running down the street

923
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,720
screaming so it's it's really

924
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,320
interesting and

925
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,760
yeah to get back to what you're saying i

926
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,880
think that

927
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:20,559
there are some entities

928
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,679
it's more like

929
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,440
these i think a lot of these things

930
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:25,760
exist in all of these different

931
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,159
you know areas of life or different

932
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,399
segments of life that we tend to like

933
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:32,240
divide into different segments and i

934
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,519
think that's largely because of our

935
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,039
filters we've developed from an

936
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,799
evolutionary point of view

937
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,960
um and they have to find ways to get

938
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,200
past our filters and if we could take

939
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,919
down our and like we talked about dmt

940
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:46,320
ayahuasca these kind of things

941
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:47,360
uh

942
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,799
basically i think what they're doing is

943
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,159
they're taking down those filters

944
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,080
they're going offline so you're actually

945
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,640
experiencing closer to the reality right

946
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,320
you're seeing more of what's really out

947
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,480
there when your filters are offline

948
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,640
these these evolutionary filters

949
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:02,240
and so these things are always there

950
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,919
it's just that we can only see them in

951
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:05,600
certain times when our filters tend to

952
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,559
be down

953
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,480
yeah it's just for the record i'm not

954
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,720
endorsing anything don't go tripping

955
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,440
balls because you're hurt on shot show i

956
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,440
mean if you want that's your thing

957
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,840
you know i respect that but you know

958
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,600
i don't know what the liability stuff is

959
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,480
like

960
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:22,960
i'm just being stupid yeah

961
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,320
yeah gotcha yeah no um

962
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,679
i guess

963
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:29,120
you know that's

964
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,120
the the dream stuff

965
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,200
i've always had weird dreams and i talk

966
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,519
in my sleep just about like every night

967
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,200
and sometimes it sounds like i'm

968
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,679
carrying on a conversation on them doing

969
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,240
both of the voices where my voice is my

970
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:44,480
voice and then the other person is like

971
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:50,549
it's pretty intense and sometimes things

972
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:53,840
are pretty pretty uh crazy that i say so

973
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:56,880
there's definitely um it's an untapped

974
00:34:01,509 --> 00:34:00,640
galaxy uh of your conscious for sure

975
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,519
for me

976
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,880
it's so

977
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,120
utterly fascinating just all of this

978
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,279
stuff is but just dreams of lower alone

979
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,879
are utterly fascinating of course you'll

980
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,919
get like

981
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,839
you know reductionistic scientific

982
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,359
materialism wants to just say it's

983
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,359
random firings of your brain

984
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,200
and really sort of reduce it into

985
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,440
something completely you know not

986
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,679
fascinating at all and really mundane

987
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,119
and yet those of us who've had these

988
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,720
experiences you know there's something

989
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,879
much more than that going on and it's

990
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,280
amazing to me that these

991
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:31,599
like full worlds can suddenly come

992
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,399
online for you that are like filled with

993
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,399
detail sometimes even more vivid detail

994
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,480
than the waking world yeah

995
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,000
and all these different characters you

996
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,960
meet seem to have like they seem to have

997
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:44,960
an ontological status that goes beyond

998
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,280
you like even when we talked about dmt

999
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,520
right people will

1000
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,200
encounter these machine elves right

1001
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,800
different people who who have not heard

1002
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,079
anything about these machine ls

1003
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:55,919
beforehand will meet them in different

1004
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,560
cultures across time so that suggests

1005
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,960
there's some sort of ontological status

1006
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,079
to these things that they're real

1007
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:04,960
they're existing in in dimensions or

1008
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,119
aspects of reality that we enter into

1009
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,880
and they were there all along so so

1010
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,960
that's fascinating to me and

1011
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,760
uh

1012
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,760
yeah i'm definitely

1013
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,760
i definitely go in not reducing it to

1014
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,599
something mundane at all and i think the

1015
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:20,160
more you can go in with fewer

1016
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:22,000
uh preconceptions about what's going to

1017
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,359
happen what it means the more

1018
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:25,920
interesting it is just i really try to

1019
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,200
focus on having a raw experience yes

1020
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,200
try to interpret it later but at first

1021
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,520
just experience it and let your mind be

1022
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,079
really really open and by doing that you

1023
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,920
begin to develop the capacity to notice

1024
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:40,000
things you didn't notice before because

1025
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,119
when we go in with all these

1026
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,720
preconceptions of what we've been told

1027
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,800
about what this all means you actually

1028
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:46,960
are limiting how much you even can pay

1029
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,520
attention to a notice

1030
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:51,200
what do you two make of uh we'll start

1031
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,480
with you priscilla what do you what do

1032
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:54,880
you make of uh like the

1033
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:57,520
like apoc apocalyptic dreams like i've

1034
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,640
had a recurrence of those

1035
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,280
for more than a decade i would have to

1036
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:05,760
say of different kinds and i know that's

1037
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,359
not unique to me either um

1038
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:10,880
is that still

1039
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:14,400
like a more a self self-apoc apocalyptic

1040
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,359
type of thing or do you think there's a

1041
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,760
a message being told to you or you know

1042
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,040
what's your take

1043
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:23,280
well i've had some horrible apocalyptic

1044
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:24,839
dreams and

1045
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,440
um the i think that you talked about it

1046
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:29,920
a little bit so the parallel universes

1047
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,960
um some people think that um

1048
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,800
things are playing out at the same time

1049
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:37,359
like uh like simultaneously

1050
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,560
so

1051
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,760
it could be one of two things it could

1052
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,280
be like you're going through something

1053
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,599
that is like the tower burning down your

1054
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,920
personal apocalypse or it could be

1055
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,160
all this fear in the world kind of

1056
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,160
you're tapping into the world fear that

1057
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,599
everybody's feeling right now because

1058
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,800
things are just

1059
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,320
kind of up in the air on so many

1060
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,960
different areas of you know politics and

1061
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,440
the planet and everything you might be

1062
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,920
tapping into that collective fear and

1063
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:03,440
then also like you said it could be a

1064
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,640
personal

1065
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,000
thing but you really have to start

1066
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,480
writing everything down because then

1067
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:10,000
as you're writing things down you'll be

1068
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,280
able to draw parallels from your life

1069
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:13,119
like oh this is why i'm dreaming about

1070
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,320
this or

1071
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,760
you know it's

1072
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,680
it's scary to think about that

1073
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,440
apocalypse happening in some other

1074
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,359
dimension that we're living

1075
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,920
like parallel to or simultaneously

1076
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,079
but not in the same dimension it's kind

1077
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:28,000
of weird to think about that and people

1078
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,760
don't like that but i mean it's

1079
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,079
definitely a possibility i was never

1080
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,160
taught that my dreams were just dreams

1081
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:36,000
like my mom would be like oh you know

1082
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,280
she was the one just a dream but my

1083
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,960
grandma took them very seriously as a

1084
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:40,960
catholic and my dad's side being native

1085
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,240
american your dreams are another place

1086
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,160
so even if you do have this recurring

1087
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:47,839
apocalypse dream i would start writing

1088
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,960
it down because and ask your dream to

1089
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:52,160
show you

1090
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,680
uh what you're supposed to do with that

1091
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,440
information because you have you can ask

1092
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,520
your higher self to show you more and

1093
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,359
make more sense of the symbolism that

1094
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,320
you're seeing yeah

1095
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,560
uh what do you think exo

1096
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,400
yeah i mean that's another fascinating

1097
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,000
aspect and even not even just with

1098
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,400
dreams but so often abductees and

1099
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:12,320
contactees are showing apocalyptic

1100
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:13,680
visions as well

1101
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,720
um

1102
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:16,640
you know even even people like susie

1103
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,359
hansen is one who's had you know ongoing

1104
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,760
contact with these beings her whole life

1105
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,440
even though the childhood part didn't

1106
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,359
come online for her in terms of memory

1107
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,040
until she was an adult

1108
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,560
but she's she has like an ongoing

1109
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,160
relationship sees herself kind of as an

1110
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,960
ambassador uh sort of between them and

1111
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,880
us and even sees she wrote this book

1112
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,440
called the dual soul connection and she

1113
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:38,960
sees herself as having a kind of a

1114
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,920
parallel identity as a gray alien so and

1115
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,760
she comes online

1116
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,200
again there's so many fascinating

1117
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,720
aspects here right so when she's in the

1118
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,480
presence of these others

1119
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,680
whether you consider that a different

1120
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:51,040
state of consciousness or a different

1121
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,560
realm or whatever

1122
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,320
she comes online with a broader

1123
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,320
understanding of who she is even so it's

1124
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,000
not just who they are but who she is

1125
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:00,320
suddenly much broader and deeper and she

1126
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,160
can remember previous lifetimes and she

1127
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,000
can remember sort of like

1128
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:06,400
this dual aspect to herself even

1129
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,200
um

1130
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,839
and but she has been shown apocalyptic

1131
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,320
visions and been told that part of her

1132
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,640
work will be to help people when that

1133
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,359
really happens one day that um her role

1134
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,960
will be to help people sort of sort

1135
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,359
through that spiritually energetically

1136
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,520
um and to sort of like

1137
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,040
you know bridge the divide between the

1138
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,280
graves and human beings kind of thing

1139
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:28,560
um

1140
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:32,000
so it is really interesting i think that

1141
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,359
um yeah and there's there's also the

1142
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,680
symbolic side too right like that uh

1143
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,599
um any kind of

1144
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,040
quakes beneath the surface in our

1145
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,040
subconscious can can manifest in the

1146
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,599
symbolism of apocalypse as well

1147
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,680
and even when you look at again getting

1148
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,680
back to christian history and the way

1149
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,079
people read the book of revelation and

1150
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,839
whether or not that's symbolic or if

1151
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,680
it's meant to reference something like

1152
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,760
the fall of rome or if it's meant to

1153
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,599
reference something in the future this

1154
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,920
seems to be a really interesting sort of

1155
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,160
meta category apocalypse in general for

1156
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:04,960
human beings and it's it's it says

1157
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,880
something global about things that

1158
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,480
actually do happen and it also said

1159
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,560
something about our own

1160
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,720
wrestling within ourselves to sort of

1161
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,040
work out our evolution work at our

1162
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,280
consciousness development and and our

1163
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,280
higher self sort of using that as a

1164
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:21,040
seating process to help us

1165
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,400
process and grow so that's i know that's

1166
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,720
a big answer but no i mean for that

1167
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,720
topic in general yeah for better for

1168
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,000
worse my

1169
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,319
my interesting kind of well my first

1170
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,560
like real shocking experience that i

1171
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,800
didn't really uh account for

1172
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,240
since you know the one that brought me

1173
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:38,800
here today on doing the show

1174
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,400
uh was you know based around

1175
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,200
the book of revelations you know like it

1176
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,040
was towards the end of my

1177
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,800
um kind of

1178
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,520
normal routine life in

1179
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:53,280
in the non-denominational christian

1180
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:56,319
church or whatever right and i just

1181
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:57,920
the only thing i really found super

1182
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,720
interesting was the book of revelations

1183
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:01,680
you know

1184
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,800
after

1185
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,560
i kind of put that down for a little bit

1186
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:09,440
i had one of my like just one of those

1187
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:10,560
big

1188
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,640
um just in tears from something that's

1189
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:19,599
beautiful and something that was wild

1190
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,480
and

1191
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:22,800
um you know so for whatever reason i

1192
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,599
feel

1193
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:25,440
kind of a

1194
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:26,319
you know

1195
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,119
attached to there being some sort of

1196
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:31,440
connection to something like that maybe

1197
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,400
not figuratively or you know or whatever

1198
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,960
um but yeah i think there's something

1199
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,079
there's got to be something there

1200
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,599
because yeah people abduction

1201
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,200
experiences kind of report the same kind

1202
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,040
of thing i feel like the world in

1203
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,200
general is just kind of always

1204
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,359
worried about us killing each other with

1205
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,359
nuclear bombs we have a freaking

1206
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,680
doomsday clock you know that's like

1207
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:53,280
super close

1208
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:54,079
um

1209
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,960
well you know another thing that's

1210
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,560
really interesting on this

1211
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,119
that grounds it in scientific uh you

1212
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,800
know investigation as well and dean

1213
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,960
raiden's talked about this

1214
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,560
there were i'm trying to remember the

1215
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,240
specifics now but

1216
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,560
they they sort of have these computers

1217
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,119
around the world that are kind of like

1218
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,599
can pick up uh changes in sort of like

1219
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,520
the energetic level of sort of like the

1220
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,359
broad population right what's

1221
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,319
fascinating is before major negative

1222
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,800
events like 911 for instance there was

1223
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,200
an uptick on this scale

1224
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:28,000
like before the day before it happened

1225
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,599
and that's happened numerous times now

1226
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,119
where so you know it's not just a fluke

1227
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,839
that somehow again another massive topic

1228
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,839
is time right space and time and how we

1229
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,480
kind of perceive it in an illusory way

1230
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:41,040
um but that's even more fascinating that

1231
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,640
something in us

1232
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,720
responds energetically before we even

1233
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,960
consciously understand you know and

1234
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,040
even when we make decisions there's more

1235
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,359
and more evidence now scientifically

1236
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,359
that our body has made the decision and

1237
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,800
then our brain sort of comes up with a

1238
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,800
justification for why we

1239
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,640
think we're going to do that which we've

1240
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,720
our bodies basically like us we're

1241
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,560
talking split second like nanosecond

1242
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,000
right but you can measure to that degree

1243
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,560
of specificity you can actually find

1244
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,960
that we're our bodies are responding to

1245
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,800
do the thing before we've even actually

1246
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,640
decided supposedly that we're going to

1247
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,800
do it which which is super fascinating

1248
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,240
in terms of are we

1249
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,800
tuning in a quantum consciousness that

1250
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,800
is not obviously based in our body but

1251
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,960
somewhere else and that's why you get

1252
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,040
this time delay just so many fascinating

1253
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,280
elements for that um i'll give you a

1254
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,040
pretty quick case and point to what you

1255
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,920
just said which is um i i appreciate you

1256
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:33,599
saying it because i needed to hear it i

1257
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:34,400
think

1258
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,000
that recently my um uncle passed away as

1259
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,800
my dad's last brother the first one was

1260
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:42,960
a twin brother i had a dream i was in

1261
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,680
this nursing home room he was sleeping

1262
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,400
uh i passed him a golden bowl he woke up

1263
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,560
his eyes got big he caught it the phone

1264
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,160
rang it woke me up it was the call that

1265
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,960
he passed away right right um the second

1266
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,960
uh his second brother was just recently

1267
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,040
and this is like decades apart maybe 15

1268
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,640
16 years apart

1269
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,440
um

1270
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,560
i know that he's sick or whatever but i

1271
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,880
i didn't know that he was you know when

1272
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,720
he was gonna die or whatever like i knew

1273
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:10,160
he was in the hospital

1274
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:11,440
but um

1275
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,800
it was sunday and i decided to just go

1276
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,640
check on my dad go visit him see how

1277
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,200
he's doing um i don't go there often

1278
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,440
maybe once every two months or something

1279
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:23,040
i actually go to their house you know so

1280
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,800
this was random i didn't even tell him i

1281
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,040
was going i just showed up i walk in

1282
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,839
there i go straight to the basement

1283
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,680
and my dad's sitting there he's on the

1284
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:34,319
phone and it's the call that he passed

1285
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:35,280
away

1286
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,560
right

1287
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,240
and it's like

1288
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,560
i think my like my

1289
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,960
somehow the decision is being made to do

1290
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,720
that stuff without me

1291
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,520
being

1292
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:48,160
you know aware of it

1293
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,280
you know

1294
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,119
and it's just pretty freaky

1295
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,119
to be questioned it's it's it just shows

1296
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,359
you that again when you look at human

1297
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,280
history we've always wanted to believe

1298
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,079
we have like 99 figured out regardless

1299
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,160
of what era you go to people basically

1300
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,760
thought that right it's pretty hilarious

1301
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,520
when you read some of the

1302
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:07,680
uh sort of science reports in the late

1303
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,240
1800s they basically thought oh we've

1304
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,240
got a little bit of fine tuning left but

1305
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,240
pretty much everything's understood now

1306
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:16,480
and that was before quantum entanglement

1307
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,680
sort of came online in the 20s and 30s

1308
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,040
and

1309
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,640
completely uprooted everything right so

1310
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,560
uh in the same way i think that all the

1311
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,319
stuff we're talking about here with even

1312
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,319
things happening cause and effect

1313
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:32,079
sometimes even gets reversed and even

1314
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,119
you know there's been scientific

1315
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,200
experiments now that prove that you can

1316
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,960
run things in reverse and the math still

1317
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,160
works

1318
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:40,000
so even things that we think have to

1319
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,760
happen a certain way actually don't it's

1320
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,760
just the way we think about it and yeah

1321
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,280
there's so many elements like what you

1322
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:47,119
described where people

1323
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,560
know things before they're supposed to

1324
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,599
know them and it's saying that something

1325
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,720
is vastly different than what sciences

1326
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,160
tells us is going on and that we were

1327
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:58,319
brought up to believe in school

1328
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,640
yeah i would say and i saw my first like

1329
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,720
three foot four foot owl like a week

1330
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,880
before that like flew right in front of

1331
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,680
me and my dog it was crazy never seen it

1332
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,319
all like that before it's weird stuff

1333
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,079
it's hard to make sense of all the

1334
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,400
different recipes and ingredients that

1335
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,319
are being put in your cup and shaking

1336
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:18,240
around you know well i mean it's

1337
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,440
interesting how you bring up the owl

1338
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,880
thing because

1339
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,319
i mean i had this crazy experience in

1340
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,680
2005 my wife and i did together and

1341
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,680
what's what i find fascinating is that

1342
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:29,200
so so for instance say if you didn't

1343
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,400
know any of the literature behind the

1344
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,640
phenomenon right you might just go wow

1345
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,560
what's up with that huge owl that's so

1346
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,839
random right

1347
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,359
and yet you read the literature and you

1348
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,760
realize this goes on all the friggin

1349
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,520
time right like it happened to so many

1350
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,000
people across cultures and

1351
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,920
sometimes they're kind of like you know

1352
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,000
people later realize you know they're

1353
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,000
actually grey aliens that are sort of

1354
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,240
giving a screen memory of an owl other

1355
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,319
people just think there's there's wisdom

1356
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,079
traditions going back you know thousands

1357
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,240
of years that suggest owls are these

1358
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,240
these sort of wise caricatures kind of

1359
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,640
thing these and so

1360
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,160
and but again if you didn't read that

1361
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,599
literature you would just sort of you

1362
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,960
know pass it off and say that's weird i

1363
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:08,079
don't remember seeing an owl that big

1364
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:09,040
before

1365
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,480
and yet when you do read the literature

1366
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,319
you're like there's so many weird things

1367
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,000
that happen over and over again and

1368
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,560
what's what's bizarre to me is how

1369
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,800
99 of the people in our culture are not

1370
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:20,319
like the three of us right they're going

1371
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,559
around not aware of any of this stuff

1372
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,480
and it's completely flying beneath the

1373
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,520
reader or above the radar for them so

1374
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:29,680
that could even get even weirder because

1375
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:30,800
we're talking about this not to

1376
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:32,800
interrupt but like the week before i was

1377
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,440
a part of like a group um kind of just a

1378
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,040
meeting where we talked about our

1379
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,359
experiences and stuff like that and one

1380
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,640
person

1381
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,920
um

1382
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:43,520
like showed me a piece of artwork that

1383
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,559
they had

1384
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,760
and it was

1385
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:49,200
an owl

1386
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,280
and it was described as um a keeper of

1387
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:55,359
life and death so right

1388
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,319
um you know that one thing led to

1389
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:01,119
you seeing an actual owl led to

1390
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,920
you know

1391
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:04,000
the the thing with my uncle

1392
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,599
it's just weird

1393
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:07,200
crazy that's totally weird like you say

1394
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,240
especially when you put those three

1395
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,839
together right and

1396
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,440
again if you were to talk to sort of a

1397
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:13,040
reductionistic scientist they might just

1398
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,960
say well well there you go see someone

1399
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,640
showed you a picture of a now right you

1400
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:18,000
just it was embedded in your

1401
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,200
subconscious

1402
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:23,750
right when you look at it in his

1403
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,319
totality and and that is not just you

1404
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,079
but this is happening all the time to

1405
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,960
people all around the world you go no

1406
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,319
there's something much deeper and

1407
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,559
broader going on here yeah

1408
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,760
interesting

1409
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,119
um

1410
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,839
do you have any

1411
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:41,760
uh questions or lines of inquiry

1412
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,079
priscilla for for exo

1413
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,880
uh no i i kind of wanted to comment on

1414
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,800
his last

1415
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,119
uh the latest podcast that he put out

1416
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,800
sure and i thought it was interesting

1417
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,640
that you you compared you know out of

1418
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,319
body experience and near-death

1419
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,520
experience

1420
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:59,440
and encounters with

1421
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:00,240
um

1422
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,040
the

1423
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,960
that have ufo elements and you kind of

1424
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,720
touched on this a couple minutes ago

1425
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,040
with the abductee scenario or the people

1426
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,079
that have had um these experiences

1427
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:11,839
but how do you think

1428
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,599
that i think that they're

1429
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,880
you know this is gonna sound weird

1430
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:16,400
everybody but i think that they i think

1431
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:18,559
that they are visiting people

1432
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,359
in

1433
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:20,640
the dream realm

1434
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,359
so

1435
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,599
how would you go about like talking

1436
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,920
somebody through that that it's like

1437
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,359
their first time having a dream like

1438
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,359
that their first time seeing a being

1439
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,960
that they don't recognize kind of like

1440
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,359
your you know your crazy being that you

1441
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,240
saw like how do you like i know how i do

1442
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,079
it i do it from our spiritual standpoint

1443
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,839
but how would you say say somebody comes

1444
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,200
to you and they have this crazy

1445
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,040
experience but it's it's rocked them

1446
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:45,599
like like noticeably like

1447
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,319
rock them to their core uh how how do

1448
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,400
you go about um helping people through

1449
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,400
that or do people even come to you for

1450
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,920
stuff like that

1451
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,839
yeah i do have people

1452
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,160
that mostly they write and say you know

1453
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,839
thank you for normalizing this because

1454
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:01,839
this is my experience and i haven't had

1455
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,319
anyone to talk to about this and

1456
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,559
um you know again speaking of the sort

1457
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,400
of fundamentalist christian side we

1458
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,800
mentioned a while ago if people sort of

1459
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,640
exist in those circles then they

1460
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:14,000
definitely can't talk about this stuff

1461
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,200
because

1462
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,599
i mean it's it's it's it's it's actually

1463
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:19,520
kind of humorous when you realize how

1464
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,559
quickly

1465
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:23,040
people's knee-jerk reaction is demons

1466
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,400
you know definitely going to pray for

1467
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:26,000
you you know i mean that's just the

1468
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,599
assumption over and over and over again

1469
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:28,720
there's no

1470
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:32,160
this understanding that we might live in

1471
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:32,880
a

1472
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,200
tiers you've got the upper tier with

1473
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,599
god and angels you've got the middle

1474
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,920
tier with human beings and animals

1475
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,920
some people let et's be in there but

1476
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,760
only some and then you've got you know

1477
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,319
demons and satan and dark stuff in in

1478
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,880
hell or the the lower realms you even

1479
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:02,640
get that within shamanistic circles to

1480
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,680
some degree

1481
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,760
as well as christian circles so

1482
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,480
all that is to say when people when

1483
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,319
that's their interpretive grid there's

1484
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,920
not a lot of room there right i mean so

1485
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:14,000
if some entity that pops up that you

1486
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,040
know is not a

1487
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,040
an animal or human being

1488
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:18,800
people especially if it's got anything

1489
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,400
kind of like weird or spiritual or

1490
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,720
ethereal people right away go

1491
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:26,079
they again they take passages in

1492
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,280
scripture like

1493
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,960
satan can parade as an angel of light

1494
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:31,280
and and they're used to this they've as

1495
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,559
you guys know

1496
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:34,400
it gets drilled into you that you know

1497
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,760
this stuff can

1498
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,520
will deceive you wants to deceive you

1499
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,760
don't trust your eyes kind of thing

1500
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,200
and to the point where even if people

1501
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,520
have had decades of positive experiences

1502
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,040
with these entities and have seen

1503
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:47,520
themselves grow and become more loving

1504
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,119
accepting people they're less

1505
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,760
materialistic they're more focused on

1506
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,200
you know universal brotherhood you can

1507
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,800
have all those things happening over

1508
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,640
like those metrics all move in the

1509
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,559
positive direction over decades and

1510
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,559
you'll still get conservative christians

1511
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,440
who say

1512
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,960
yeah it's all the rules though i mean

1513
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,160
what good is that if you're going to

1514
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:05,760
hell when you die right and some people

1515
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:07,359
really a lot of people really believe

1516
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,400
that you know

1517
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,480
so that that's so that's one thing is

1518
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,319
it's just nice to

1519
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,079
be able to have a platform and you guys

1520
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,599
do the same thing you know like we're

1521
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,680
all normalizing this stuff right with

1522
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,680
your show as well and

1523
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,480
it it's it's a breath of fresh air and a

1524
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,640
lifeline for people who have not known

1525
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,880
where and how to share this stuff and as

1526
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:29,520
you guys know if you can't talk about it

1527
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:31,040
then it just gets locked away somewhere

1528
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,559
and becomes this ball of energy that

1529
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,880
doesn't resolve you know right and

1530
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:36,079
that's no good

1531
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:37,839
in any part of life

1532
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,319
yeah and it's just hard enough to find

1533
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,160
anyone to talk to about it in general

1534
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,400
let alone your real life so it's like

1535
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:46,319
somebody's got to start making outlets

1536
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:47,440
and and

1537
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,839
in spots for it and you know i'm not a

1538
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:51,599
i'm late to the game

1539
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,160
for sure you know but i'm glad i can

1540
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,000
help because i think the more the

1541
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,079
merrier and it's almost like a different

1542
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:00,800
flavor will connect or you know help

1543
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,040
somebody in a different way

1544
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:06,000
and it it as long as it's good with uh

1545
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,200
done with the clean heart and good

1546
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,760
intent i think it's helpful so yeah one

1547
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,680
thing i would add to priscilla's

1548
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:15,040
question is that when i

1549
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,880
do try and help people or talk with

1550
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,319
people through this stuff

1551
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:19,920
it really matters where they're coming

1552
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,480
from and what their background is and

1553
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,599
um

1554
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:25,520
so for instance we talked before about

1555
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,559
you know sometimes you'll have a

1556
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,400
negative experience in a dream

1557
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,000
that isn't or even a negative experience

1558
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,000
as a contact experience right it doesn't

1559
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,240
necessarily mean it's negative or evil

1560
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,760
it can actually be

1561
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,720
um trying to give you the the tools to

1562
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:40,559
grow through something right

1563
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:44,319
and um you know that's what uh yeah yeah

1564
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:45,280
i mean if you think about like the

1565
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,960
really sort of crude analogy of weight

1566
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,400
training right i mean you need

1567
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,160
resistance and pain to sort of grow to

1568
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,960
something new um so

1569
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,480
but that said so some people are

1570
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:57,200
convinced that if anything feels bad

1571
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,200
it must be negative or it must be evil

1572
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,359
so if i i'll try and figure out where

1573
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,800
someone's coming from if there's if they

1574
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,800
haven't moved past that yet but they

1575
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,319
still believe that if it feels bad it

1576
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,480
must be bad and it can't have anything

1577
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,839
good then then that's where i need to

1578
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,760
focus the attention on right whereas if

1579
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,520
someone is beyond that and recognizes

1580
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,359
that no that can be sort of the critical

1581
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:17,359
mass that helps you grow then we go from

1582
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,079
there but so it largely depends on where

1583
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:22,079
the person's at in in their own sort of

1584
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,680
consciousness development yes yeah you

1585
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,359
gotta meet them where you work where

1586
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:26,800
they're at

1587
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,800
that's what i try to do but i was um i

1588
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,880
always ask people like how do you

1589
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,079
because not a lot of people will talk

1590
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,480
about this um so i think the first thing

1591
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,720
is having the space like uh like jay has

1592
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,160
like an amazing space for it we're

1593
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:40,559
creating spaces everywhere now but it's

1594
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,440
um

1595
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,200
it's just talking about jay christopher

1596
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:45,359
king yeah sorry

1597
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,680
um but yeah i'm glad that you said all

1598
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:49,280
that because i i kind of do the same

1599
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,200
thing but i was wondering if i was not

1600
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,440
if i was going about it the right way um

1601
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,200
because a lot of it is intuitive the way

1602
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,200
that i'm you know help like not helping

1603
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:59,040
people but um just kind of being there

1604
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,079
for people

1605
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,720
and letting them unload no matter how

1606
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:04,400
weird it is and

1607
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,440
um

1608
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:07,760
yeah i like that answer thank you sure

1609
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,559
absolutely yeah i mean i think

1610
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,799
one of the the teachers i had in my past

1611
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,480
was a guy named thomas ubel and he

1612
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,839
talked about

1613
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,520
um

1614
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:19,200
we sort of come into this life as this

1615
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,720
ball of energy that wants to resolve

1616
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:21,680
itself

1617
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,880
and

1618
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:23,839
because

1619
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,880
our culture modern culture tends to deny

1620
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,880
the existence of certain things or or

1621
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,400
sort of belittle certain kinds of

1622
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:32,240
elements of life there are a lot of

1623
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,599
people walking around with balls of

1624
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,680
energy that are not resolving and

1625
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,280
eventually that can even manifest as

1626
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:39,040
disease you know like it's uh you know

1627
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,640
that's even been scientifically proven

1628
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,720
now you think negatively really

1629
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:44,160
intensely for a long enough time that's

1630
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,440
eventually going to cause a tumor or

1631
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:47,359
something right so it's really important

1632
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,799
to do what you're doing like you know to

1633
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,119
give people just the time to

1634
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,119
get that stuff out as messy as it is you

1635
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,200
know you want to get that stuff out and

1636
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,920
then begin to process in a positive way

1637
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,680
and and there's no use talking to

1638
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,599
someone in a league above where they are

1639
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,440
because that's completely not useful

1640
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,359
pragmatic information for them right

1641
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,359
like like you mentioned sean you have to

1642
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,200
meet them where they are and sort of

1643
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:11,040
hopefully shine some light on what the

1644
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:13,359
next steps are for them i like this

1645
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,839
ontological

1646
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,280
massage you got to work out the america

1647
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,720
yeah

1648
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,119
pretty much well some people have these

1649
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:23,440
experiences and they end up like they

1650
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:25,040
literally feel like they're going crazy

1651
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,559
and it's very

1652
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,640
it's very scary for them everything

1653
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:31,040
they've been taught just is kind of like

1654
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,559
not real anymore

1655
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,079
so um

1656
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,040
the whole ontological thing is just

1657
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,880
it's shattering for some people and it's

1658
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,240
right totally i mean that's that's the

1659
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,799
ontological shock that john mack talked

1660
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:44,480
about that like you say it's not just

1661
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,440
that

1662
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:46,960
they're seeing stuff they didn't believe

1663
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,799
was real before but now that they know

1664
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,240
that's real

1665
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,599
but but their former conception got

1666
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,520
blown up now they feel like everything's

1667
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,359
blown up right like they don't know what

1668
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,880
to believe they don't know what what's

1669
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,559
up and what's down anymore

1670
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,000
and they've got everyone walking around

1671
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:01,599
they feel like a crazy person sometimes

1672
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:02,960
because everyone in their circle is

1673
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,960
telling them none of that's real this is

1674
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:06,240
the way people are and yet they've been

1675
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,680
confronted with the reality that says

1676
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,240
everything but so they've got to try and

1677
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,960
find their way in that

1678
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,880
i love talking to you i hope you'll come

1679
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:16,640
back again at some point

1680
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,599
so i would love to it's been a great fun

1681
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:22,079
enlightening conversation yeah yeah i

1682
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,760
concur i agree i i want more of them so

1683
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,680
yeah i was just thinking i wish i you

1684
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,200
actually like i was like i want to talk

1685
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,880
to somebody about i had some questions

1686
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,119
and even i didn't even have to ask and

1687
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:35,040
it's kind of funny that um we just

1688
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,160
started talking about what we were

1689
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,160
talking about because i was like i need

1690
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,000
somebody like i know what i know but i

1691
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,160
need like to talk to the next level that

1692
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,559
knows more than i've experienced and

1693
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,839
talked to other people that have had

1694
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:48,000
these crazy uh dream experiences or more

1695
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,680
knowledge about it since you've studied

1696
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:51,440
so much you know

1697
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,720
academically with it it sounds like

1698
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,880
you're in all sorts of research and

1699
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:56,799
that's just the rand paul voice it's not

1700
00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:59,440
real oh my god

1701
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,400
that's horrible i know it is

1702
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:03,839
i'm sorry

1703
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:06,559
but oh yeah you're you're brilliant

1704
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,280
she's right he's uh if only if rand paul

1705
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:12,160
made sense and read more yeah

1706
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,359
well you know what we're talking about

1707
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,960
here is what what again that teacher of

1708
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:16,480
mine thomas rubel talked about he called

1709
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,319
it we space right

1710
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:20,240
and when you it's one thing to research

1711
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:22,000
on your own and read books and whatnot

1712
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,359
but when you get together with people

1713
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:25,200
with a like mind and you're exploring

1714
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,720
stuff together

1715
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:29,040
it sort of um synergizes the

1716
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:31,040
consciousness in a way that you reach

1717
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,480
new heights you couldn't on your own so

1718
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:34,400
that's why it's really important that we

1719
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,359
continue to have these kind of

1720
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:37,359
conversations because it does take us to

1721
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:38,640
different places we couldn't get by

1722
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,359
ourselves yeah just like i'm a musician

1723
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,520
a long time so it reminds me of the band

1724
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,000
dynamic for sure like me too yeah i

1725
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:48,160
totally relate to that yeah yeah

1726
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:50,000
all right uh well with that being said

1727
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,359
you have a excellent evening exo um

1728
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:56,400
everybody go follow him on twitter um

1729
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:58,640
subscribe to his show what or you can

1730
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,000
listen to his podcast on spotify all his

1731
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,160
stuff is in the description so with that

1732
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,799
being said i will thank you sarah and

1733
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,799
until next time thanks sean thanks

1734
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,319
priscilla we'll see you guys later all

1735
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,720
right bye

1736
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,880
all right that was pretty good huh yeah

1737
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,160
he's very

1738
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:18,480
morton his podcasts are amazing but in

1739
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,280
person well you know i'm talking right

1740
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:23,359
yeah you know what i mean yeah okay so

1741
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:24,720
see you later that threw me off like

1742
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,680
what

1743
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:27,599
yeah

1744
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,359
it's cool when you get to talk to

1745
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,440
somebody that's so um

1746
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,599
they're so like well read and educated

1747
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:38,880
and they're still

1748
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,359
they have such a big you know

1749
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:43,040
i don't know i want to say big heart i

1750
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:44,640
know that sounds kind of silly yeah for

1751
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:45,520
sure

1752
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:46,880
they really it sounds like he really

1753
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:48,880
wants to enlighten people and help them

1754
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:50,960
understand what's going on on so many

1755
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:53,119
different levels and at their level

1756
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,799
which is great yes it's not like um

1757
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:58,960
you know by now we shall be aware that

1758
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,119
um this is how you know when people say

1759
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:03,040
this is how it's done no this is the way

1760
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,400
it is no

1761
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,559
you know it you got to be up here you

1762
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:08,559
can't even try it like

1763
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,559
by now we should know that's just like

1764
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,319
ineffective and isn't going to work if

1765
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:13,920
anything that's a warning flag anybody

1766
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,400
that's telling you only this way and

1767
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,640
it's only you have to do you know okay i

1768
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,960
dealt with that a lot in uh like uh with

1769
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,480
other witches like because i didn't go

1770
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:24,240
through there kind of the training you

1771
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:25,119
know i'm like well i guess i'm just

1772
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,559
looking at myself making money you know

1773
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,559
but um if you don't do this certain

1774
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,160
thing you know um

1775
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,000
and that that's for everything people

1776
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:34,079
are they just know so much without

1777
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,000
actually knowing

1778
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,000
yeah and it's just like everybody's

1779
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,599
unique to themselves everybody's

1780
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,200
different so everybody's gonna have

1781
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:43,680
their way that's going to work for them

1782
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,319
best and it's impossible to have

1783
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:48,240
a one-size-fits-all especially when it

1784
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:50,559
comes to theoretical stuff and

1785
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:54,240
philosophy and you know ways to live so

1786
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:55,119
yeah

1787
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,880
well i appreciate your time i thought

1788
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,559
you were great today

1789
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,960
um you're off next week right

1790
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,240
yeah i have a

1791
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:04,799
i have a medium coming on um

1792
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,760
okay next week but uh

1793
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,599
zach after that you're welcome to join

1794
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,520
if you have any questions she's um

1795
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,760
uh she's she has i mean she's a

1796
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:15,760
well-known medium in the awesome it's

1797
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:17,920
not like a tv one but in like you know

1798
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,760
that i'm not vegan chip well she's legit

1799
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:21,280
she's not she's not she's not like a

1800
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:24,960
what's the long island medium oh so it's

1801
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:27,520
not long island no i want i want the tv

1802
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,480
ones

1803
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,640
yeah

1804
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,920
no that

1805
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,319
that's pretty cool um what time is your

1806
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:36,880
what time is your gig it should be at

1807
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:39,440
eight eight o'clock okay well

1808
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,839
maybe maybe not next monday i was

1809
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:43,280
actually going to take off anyways

1810
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:45,440
because of a conflicting schedule thing

1811
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,559
but i might be able to hang out um at

1812
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:50,160
that time because it's a little bit

1813
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,119
later so if i'm awake

1814
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:55,119
you know right now i'm just like i'm

1815
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:58,079
like bernie you ever see those bernie

1816
01:02:02,309 --> 01:01:59,680
uh

1817
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:02,319
those bernie movies like um

1818
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,119
where

1819
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:05,280
he's dead and the people just like kind

1820
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:08,400
of move them around and stuff

1821
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:09,760
i feel like i know what you're talking

1822
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:10,799
about without knowing what you're

1823
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,960
talking about yeah

1824
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,799
it makes sense to me

1825
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,799
it makes me think of that one uh chubby

1826
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:18,240
chase movie where they have the ant like

1827
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:19,200
on the car

1828
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:21,680
yeah something like that

1829
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,839
check it out it's not important or home

1830
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:25,599
yes weekend at bernie's that's what it

1831
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:28,000
is oh okay yeah yeah

1832
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,559
like no you're dead

1833
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:32,400
yes yeah now it's all coming back i just

1834
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,359
need the name that's how i feel pretty

1835
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:37,839
much every time after now

1836
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:40,079
because i get up so i get up so early

1837
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:42,160
i'm like at 3 30 4 o'clock whatever i

1838
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:43,440
can't help it

1839
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:44,640
so

1840
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:46,240
um but

1841
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:47,839
yeah i had a great time with you once

1842
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:50,559
again uh next week i'm taking off of

1843
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:54,079
this channel at the nighttime slot so go

1844
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:57,039
check out priscilla quantum witch cafe

1845
01:03:02,390 --> 01:02:59,599
um and with that being said

1846
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,400
check out the liberation times website

1847
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:05,280
because pretty big article um came out

1848
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:08,079
there today that i contributed to and mr

1849
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:10,160
robert gopher may be mentioned i'm not

1850
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,839
sure but hopefully

1851
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:13,440
um

1852
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:23,109
oh i'm caught i wanted to play a video

1853
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:26,319
uh which one okay this one

1854
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:29,039
t-minus ten nine eight

1855
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,559
seven

1856
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:32,640
no that's better for a start okay let's